The “Eve of the Crucible” Friday is always “Media Day”. The seeds are there for the press and pre-tournament pictures. Here are a few images that were shared on social media, showing the “build-up” at the venue and around as well as the players posing for the media:
It’s also, quite obviously, a day of many publications in the news …
One of the themes this year, as you would expect, is the future of the Crucible as the venue for the World Championship. The current contract guarantees that the World Championship will stay there, up to 2027 but after that … things could change. If you listened to some of the usual BBC pundits, and Rob Walker you may be under the impression that everyone wants it to stay there … well, the players have been asked and the reality is a bit different… I have underlined some parts that I feel are a kind of “summary” of their opinion
The Future of the Crucible: Is snooker set to leave the iconic home of the World Championships?
Phil Haigh
The Crucible has hosted the World Snooker Championship since 1977 (Picture: Getty Images)
Debate has long raged over whether the World Snooker Championship should stay at its iconic home in Sheffield or spread its wings and move elsewhere, but never has that discussion felt so pressing.
The contract to keep the event at the Crucible runs until 2027 and it is up in the air whether the 50th year in Sheffield will be the last year in the Steel City.
Every world champion since 1977 has lifted the famous trophy at the Crucible, but with a capacity of just 980 and ageing facilities in the venue, calls to grow and advance are becoming louder.
Could the future of the World Championship be in China, Saudi Arabia, elsewhere in the UK or still be in Sheffield in an expanded and modernised venue? Or could it, seemingly against the odds, simply remain as it is?
Here are the thoughts of a string of big names in snooker on what they want to see happen with the World Championship.
Judd Trump
‘I’m a bit undecided,’ Trump told Metro. ‘I do like the venue and the atmosphere it produces, but backstage is very poor. The hospitality side is always going to be a struggle in that venue. But there is a different tension to everywhere else we play, just because it is so tight.
‘I think it does need to stay there, even if it’s every other year because it is a special venue. I just don’t know if they can change backstage to make it more modern, make a bit more space because it is lacking in that.’
Judd Trump was Crucible champ in 2019 (Picture: Getty Images)
MarkSelby
‘It’s a tough one because I think the tournament deserves to have more people than the Crucible holds. But at the same time it’s so iconic,’ Selby told Metro. ‘When you get to the one-table set-up I don’t think there’s a better venue. But at the same time it’s the pinnacle of our sport and if you told people who didn’t know that the biggest tournament we play holds under 1,000 people, they would be like, “really?” You go to the Masters and it holds 2,500.
‘It’s a tough one. For me I’d rather have less than 1,000 and it stay at the Crucible, just because it’s so great as a one-table. When it’s two tables I don’t think it’s the best venue we play in, but when we get down to the semi-finals I think it is.
‘If it stays at the Crucible then I would never be devastated because it’s a great venue, but if it moves it’s moving for the right reasons to get more people in.’
Luca Brecel
‘It’s a difficult one because normally I love change. I love different formats, different locations, but I think the Crucible, it has to stay,’ he told Metro. ‘I love change, new waves, but the Crucible is different, I think it has to stay. It’s special, I think it should stay.
‘It’s magic to everyone, everyone knows about the Crucible.’
Luca Brecel defends his World Championship title in Sheffield this year (Picture: Getty Images)
Steve Davis
‘Actually recently I’ve changed my view a bit and the reason for that is I’m in a different position in my world of snooker,’ Davis told Metro. ‘I’m further removed from it now. I’m not just looking at it with a view of past excitement within the game, the history of it all tied up with me and other players that I know.
‘I’ve started to view it more in case of what’s good for snooker, not what’s good for UK snooker fans, what’s good for snooker now, it’s more worldwide than ever before. I’m starting to look at the Masters and that 2,000-seater venue and such a fantastic event.
‘I’ve listened to everyone’s views on it, I’ve had my views but I’ve started to think it would be great if the Crucible was twice the size. If that’s achievable then I don’t think there’s any need to move. But I think we’re getting to the stage where snooker is exploding in the world, there’s so many countries getting on board, more than ever before, when are you going to make it 2,000-3,000-seater?
Steve Davis and Alex Higgins at the Crucible in 1981 (Picture: Getty Images)
‘I’ve started to not be so hard on the view that leaving the Crucible is getting rid of history, I’m starting to say maybe that’s an old fashioned view only held by the older brigade.
‘Maybe it does have to be a bigger venue but I would still like it to be in Sheffield, so it’s down to whether the Crucible could get bigger. I don’t know what that would mean for theatre shows throughout the year, maybe it’s too big for them. I don’t know.
‘I think you’ve got to be fair to the players, if you had a bigger venue, in a very short space of time you’d get to a £1,000,000 first prize and that raises the profile even higher, so I think we have to be forward thinking. I don’t like throwing away the history, but how long do you stick your feet in the mud? I’ve had so many great memories there, it would be a sad day if it left, but I fully understand the reasons why it might need to. It’s not now just about the UK public, it’s truly become a worldwide game.’
Steve Davis (right) won six world titles at the Crucible (Picture: Getty Images)
Shaun Murphy
‘If it’s a players’ decision, it stays at the Crucible, no question about that,’ the Magician told Metro. ‘I remember going as a nine-year-old boy in 1992 and every time you go it’s like the first time you’ve ever been, it’s magical.
‘I don’t want it to leave the Crucible. However, with a commercial hat on, you can understand it’s our biggest event in our smallest venue. Those two things don’t go together. People who say “it’s not all about money” have probably never run a company in their life. Should the World Championship leave the Crucible? I don’t think so? Will it? I think it’s more likely than it’s ever been. I think if it was up to the players, which it isn’t, I think it would stay.
‘I think when you look at golf, tennis or football, these places are extended, made bigger. Wembley is not the same place as what it was. Wimbledon doesn’t look anything like it did 50 years ago. No one cares. Why can’t the Crucible be made bigger? It’s a massive job but why can’t we knock it down and build it again? What else is as big in Sheffield as the snooker? What else brings so much finance and tourism to Sheffield as the snooker? Why can’t WST or Matchroom partner with Sheffield City Council and build the home of snooker there in the centre of Sheffield? What a legacy that would be.
‘I don’t know anyone who really wants to see the World Championship walk away from Sheffield, people accept there are commercial reasons why it might, but I don’t think people want it. Other sports have dug into their pockets and built bigger on their historic homes, why aren’t we doing the same?’
Shaun Murphy was a shock Crucible winner in 2005 (Picture: Getty Images)
Kyren Wilson
‘I’d be gutted if it left Sheffield to be honest. I don’t think it should ever leave,’ he told Metro. ‘Ok, you can go somewhere with a bigger venue for more fans, but you would lose the appeal of the World Championships. Whenever anybody talks about snooker, memories of the Crucible aren’t far away. The Steve Davis days, Alex Higgins, Hendry, Ronnie, I wouldn’t want to lose that. I think nostalgia and memories are worth a little bit more than money.
‘I feel like it’s part of the test. The two-table is such a unique atmosphere and environment in that Crucible Theatre. When it goes to one table, it’s so theatrical, you can cut the tension with the knife in there. I hope it never moves.
‘The Winter Gardens, all around there, there’s such a buzz. I love everything about it.
‘If you win the World Championships and it’s elsewhere, there would be an element of, “could I have done it at the Crucible?” It’s a different test, totally different. Neil Robertson has said before about not being able to walk into the shot properly. That’s part of the test. I hope it never moves. Good memories there and hopefully more to come.’
Kyren Wilson has made a 147 at the Crucible and made it to the final (Picture: Getty Images)
Gary Wilson
‘It’s my favourite place to play,’ Wilson told Metro. ‘My ideal scenario would be to knock the whole place down and rebuild it better. I’ve got no idea on the logistics of that, but I would want the Crucible just on steroids, bulked up a little bit. It would look exactly the same but every room is a bit bigger, every corridor is a bit bigger and the arena looks exactly the same but instead of 900 it might be 2,000.
‘It keeps it’s heritage, it’s the same location, it’s the same venue essentially, it’s the same Crucible it’s just bigger. I don’t know if that can be achieved, but that would be dream land. I don’t know what footprint the building lies on and if that can actually be done, but that would be my dream. Make the whole thing a bit bigger but it’s basically the same, you’ve just modernised it.
‘If you’re going to a different venue in Sheffield then it’s not the Crucible, that’s not got the same heritage. If you’re going to do that then you might as well start opening your mind up to China or Saudi or wherever because it’s not the same, at the end of the day.’
Ronnie O’Sullivan salutes the Crucible crowd after a 147 (Picture: Getty Images)
Ronnie O’Sullivan
‘For me, I like a venue that you can get in and out of,’ said the Rocket. ‘So for me the best venue was Wembley Arena because you could drive in under the car park, walk through the door, into your dressing room, onto the practice table, it was just nice. Sheffield is really hard because you’ve got two entrances, loads of people. You end up staying away from the venue or going in there really late when it’s quiet.
‘I know the Crucible has got a lot of history, a lot of memories, but for me I prefer a venue I can get in and out, do my business and not be driven mad. I think obviously the Crucible is great but we’ve got loads of good venues, there’s loads of places you could take the World Championship if you wanted to.
‘I think the Saudis do an unbelievable event. I think China do an unbelievable event. Any of them places. They’ve got the resources, they’ve got the finances to put on an incredible event.’
Ronnie O’Sullivan backstage at the Crucible (Picture: Getty Images)
John Virgo
‘No, no, no. it’s the Crucible,’ the legendary commentator told Metro. ‘It’s just got that ring about it, people know, it’s got that history. We need the history, we need to compare eras and years gone by. To me, if it’s not broke don’t fix it. The World Championship stands alone and I wouldn’t mess with it. People say you could get 4,000 people, but then they’d be sat, as they do in darts, watching it on the TV screen. No, I like that atmosphere. I’ve always said snooker’s theatre and the Crucible is the perfect fit for snooker as theatre.’
Ken Doherty
Speaking on commentary, Doherty said: ‘I think it’s just wonderful, it’s the home of the World Championship it’s got the great history and there’s no other place like it that can create the drama that it does. The crowds, the proximity of the spectators to the players. Everything about it, the two-table set-up with the screen and then of course when it goes down to one-table, it’s just very, very special venue.
‘No matter how much money people or countries offer around the world, I don’t think it should ever move from the Crucible. That’s just my own personal feeling.’
Joe O’Connor
The only Crucible debutant this year was asked if he would be disappointed to qualify for the first time and the World Championship had moved from the Crucible.
‘I suppose so, it would feel like I had missed it a little bit,’ he said. ‘But the game goes where the game goes.’
Joe O’Connor makes his Crucible debut against Mark Selby this year (Picture: Getty Images)
Steve Dawson
Dawson, the World Snooker Tour chairman, told the Daily Star: ‘It’s very much in the City of Sheffield’s court. We are in conversations with them and are trying to understand their plans with them.
‘The ball is very much in their court. There’s not much more I can say until they come forward with more. One thing for sure is that if we had a bigger venue, we could sell three times as many tickets as we do now, that is a fact.
‘There are demands from the players and there are pressures created from the new events that are happening.
‘The Saudi [ranking] event will have the second largest prize money after the World Championship, so there is pressure on us from the players to deliver more and more, bigger crowds, more prize money.
‘It would be a very sad day if we were to leave the Crucible, or Sheffield for that matter, because we are an intrinsic part of the city at that time of the year.’
Sheffield City Council
A council statement this week read: ‘We are working with World Snooker on a new agreement for the event to remain in Sheffield.
‘We are committed to securing the tournament’s long-term future in the city. Sheffield is proud to be the home of the World Snooker Championship and looking forward to another fantastic tournament this year.’
My own experience is indeed that the venue is far from perfect. It DOES have a magic atmosphere, but it’s too small, too cramped and badly ventilated. It’s not fit for the current expectations about hospitality … AND it’s not true that you have a perfect view from every seat. Not if you are a 1.67 m high woman1, with long legs and a short bust… then, more often than not you end up trying to peak around the head of the guy who is sat two rows ahead of you, rather than enjoying the action (especially if the said guy insists to keep their hat on). Of course there are television screens, but if you end up following the whole match on the screen, you are probably more comfortable in your own settee at home.
Regarding Ronnie’s opinion and the going in and out … nobody more than him has to deal with the demands of the fans waiting by the stage door. Spending ten minutes to just get in before an important match is the last thing players want. Being asked for a zillion autographs when they have just lost is no fun either. In such moments players just want to be left alone…
Dave Gilbert reckons Luca Brecel is not getting what he deserves: ‘I find that unbelievable’
Phil Haigh
Dave Gilbert takes on the world champion on Saturday (Picture: Getty Images)
Dave Gilbert reckons the world champion has not been put front of centre by the snooker authorities enough since his Crucible triumph, believing some less-deserving players are being promoted more than Luca Brecel.
The pair have been drawn to play in the opening round of the World Championship, with their game on the opening day this Saturday.
Gilbert came through qualifying on Wednesday, beating David Lilley and Xiao Guodong impressively and has been handed a clash with the defending champ.
Before he knew the draw, Gilbert was asked if Brecel’s unexpected victory last year was something of an inspiration for him and the Angry Farmer gave a passionate speech on the Belgian Bullet’s behalf.
The Englishman is a huge fan of what Brecel achieved 12 months ago and he does not think World Snooker Tour have given him enough credit.
‘People forget Luca had won three or four big comps before that. You are all hyping (Jack) Lisowski every day and the guy hasn’t even won it,’ said Gilbert.
‘He gets more coverage than Luca still. I find that unbelievable how World Snooker give Lisowski so much focus. I like Jack. He’s a great player and he’s lovely to watch. But we have got a boy, who is the loveliest kid in the world, he has maximum flair. He spends all his money. Lives like a playboy. He plays the game how kids want to play. He should be the main focus of everything.
Luca Brecel won his first World Championship with serious style (Picture: Getty Images)
‘I don’t watch snooker but I watched that World Championship. I have never really sat and watched snooker. Certainly not for that two weeks. I bombed out on the Sunday morning, absolutely shocking. My mate said, “I am going to make you watch this for two weeks.”
‘What Luca did last year was by far the greatest snooker thing I have ever seen. It was incredible. Well done.
‘The next comp I saw him, maybe August, I don’t know Luca, but I had to go up to him and tell him he was amazing. Fair play to him. It was just unbelievable. He beat the best players. He beat a kid [Si Jiahui] from far behind. How did that even happen? He did it his way and it was brilliant to see.’
The 42-year-old was asked if Brecel’s brilliant run in Sheffield motivated him to try and do the same, but really he wanted to continue his promotion point.
‘I’d love moments like that, but I don’t have Luca’s power,’ he said. ‘If I had his dough, I could probably spend the same levels as him!
Brecel ousted the Rocket in the quarter-finals last year (Picture: Getty Images)
‘Maximum flair, the kid is amazing for snooker. How World Snooker haven’t had that boy and the main focus for every comp this year, I have no idea.
‘That is nothing against Jack or anyone else. I am looking at the table here [by his chair during a match], I put some water on it, and I put it on the face of this lad. I didn’t know who he was.
‘The little Shaun Murphy lookalike. Stan Moody. Nothing against Stan but what are World Snooker doing? How is the kid on a picture of all champions? I didn’t even know who he was. Luca Brecel is the boy.’
Asked for a response on Gilbert’s claims, WST said: ‘We include a wide range of players in our content, often focussing on the best up-and-coming talent. Last summer we invested significant resource in a special feature on Luca Brecel, shot on location in Belgium, including an interview inside his Ferrari.
‘We have run many other pieces of content about Brecel throughout the season including interviews and highlights videos, and he is front and centre of our artwork going into the Cazoo World Championship.’
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Me too I think they could have done more about Luca, although of course, him partying for the best half of the season didn’t help probably. But, yes, I’m particularly pleased that Gilbert, without saying it, actually denounces the fact that WST focus is mainly on British players and on what they believe will interest British fans. As a fan from mainland Europe, a Belgian living in Greece, that’s how I feel for years …
That’s neither tall, nor short, it’s a pretty average height for a woman although the younger generation is probably slightly taller ↩︎
9 thoughts on “2024 At the Crucible – Media Day and Crucible Future”
Спасибо большое, Моник за эту статью, и за вашу работу. Желаю вам крепкого здоровья.
It’s really only Steve Davis who has reflected on ‘the Crucible debate’, and notes that a predominantly older generation of British fans seem to have assumed ownership of snooker. The other players put their own personal memories and nostalgia at the top of their priorities, not the future viability of snooker. When they talk about ‘special atmosphere’ or use words like ‘iconic’ that in no way implies that the atmosphere at a new venue would not be ‘special’ or become ‘iconic’ if given the chance.
Most people have pointed to the capacity of 980 as the ‘problem’, but actually it’s the facilites that are the biggest issue, and part of that is caused by lack of space backstage. Any major global sporting event needs a media gallery, not just a commentary box for the BBC and a couple of tiny press rooms. Media people from around the world need to be present. They also need corporate hospitality – we may not like it but fundraising is vital for financial viability.
I have also mentioned playing conditions. It’s just unacceptable that some players have to change their technique. The tables always roll off and the behaviour of the balls changes even during a session. For me this is an absolute red line.
We have seen security breaches, most notably last year. There would be no security clearance if any VIPs were to attend, e.g. Prince William. The facilities for the general audience are nowhere near up to expected modern standards.
Then of course there are lack of practice facilites for players, minimalistic dressing rooms (which they have to vacate), no separate entrance, etc.
But despite my strong reservations, I will be going this year. I’ll give it a chance. I expect some things will be better than I remember, some things will be worse. I have seen great snooker in many ‘special’ and ‘iconic’ cities and venues in the last decade, worth a comparison.
Thank you for this very comprehensive comment Lewis. Yes, the lack of space backstage is a major issue, as is the small media room. It is quite incredible for instance that Jamie Broughton has to run the Crucible coverage on Radio 5, sat in a room full of other journalists and photographers who come and go, discuss and joke around him. But the arena is a problem as well. As you mention the “quality” of the tables is a running issue and by no fault of the fitters. For some reason, for years now, the lighting on table two is significantly different from the one on table one. I pointed it out to the BBC guys, to my friend Duncan Richmond in particular, and their measures confirmed what I had noticed: the light on table 2 is much “warmer” than on table 1. I’m a photographer and I of course had tested the “white balance” in the arena. There was no way to get it right on both tables with one set of settings. That’s seriously annoying. Also the ventilation is poor and it is really problematic in the early rounds when it’s hot outside – which happens sometimes – and when the arena is packed. I remember one match in particular that was badly “impacted” by the situation: Ricky Walden v Rory McLeod in the last 32 in 2011. It was terribly hot in the arena, and the air was stale too. I usually handle the heat very well, but on that day I could barely breathe inside the arena, Ricky was visibly unwell, and Rory’s extremely slow pace wasn’t helping. Ricky eventually lost that match (by 10-4 if my memory serves me well) but, in fairness, those were no conditions to play an important match of snooker.
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I really don’t understand how you can say such a thing. Of course, with the Crucible being central to every snooker player’s dreams and hopes, they all thought about it, and that doesn’t change just because you don’t like, or don’t agree with, their choices or the criteria they apply. Much rather, their replies should tell you that their leanings are not driven by the accounting you chose to bring to bear. I am pretty certain that most, or even nearly all, snooker fans tick in similar ways. Also, I find your implied contention that the future of snooker depends on the venue of the Worlds a bit overblown.
Now, in order to have a proper Crucible debate, the first question should be, who is to decide, or maybe, whose voice should have the biggest weight in it. To me it seems, there cannot really be an open question – it’s the players. A rather distant second would be the fans. If players decide, maybe after having listened to fans, that the Crucible is inadequate, things should definitely move.
Of course, what is likely going to happen is markedly different in that snooker authorities at the behest of their corporate sponsors will decide that their notion of a proper, profitable spectacle requires that the moneyed aristocracy be treated to high-end pampering along with separation from the great unwashed, which quite obviously isn’t feasible at the Crucible. And they – you can take that to the bank – won’t give a rat’s posterior on the Crucible’s flair (or whatever you call the iconic nature of the venue); the sponsors demand something different. A harbinger of things to come was that event in Saudi Arabia, when players were made to wait while the Saudi royalty marched in and took their first-row seats in a lengthy procedure. I have to admit I had to snicker a bit at the indignity visited upon the players, as the moneyed aristocracy relegated them to the secondary role of royal clowns, and established themselves as the main event.
Anyway, I can do without prince William or other princelings “attending”. I am sure snooker will have a future, even with the last remaining working-class roots severed. Just whether or not I still care, I do not know.
Grump, many players don’t like the Crucible set-up but very few of the British ones dare to be loud about it. Ronnie has explained why he doesn’t like it, Neil Robertson has said for years that until they get to one table, the arena is too small and inadequate, he can’t walk into the shot like he uses to do, now Hossein Vafaei has echoed this opinion about the backstage situation. Backstage is too small. Players must vacate their dressing room in between sessions except during the final (and maybe the SFs but I’m not sure). Carter once got into a tantrum because Ronnie hadn’t vacated the dressing room early enough. It wasn’t even Ronnie’s fault. His match had finished shortly before the next session and the BBC had been detaining him in the studio. The Crucible would be a great place for an event like the Tour Championship f.i but it isn’t for the World Championship early rounds.
I read that all before. I just don’t give a flying whatever about Carter’s tantrums, Robertson’s whining, or O’Sullivan’s requesting a royal treatment, and even less about Vafaei’s sour grapes after his lackluster performance. Neither man’s self-serving pronouncements strikes me as particularly trustworthy – centered around snooker, as opposed to their tender navel. Much rather I am about the changing characteristics of the game, and there is no doubt here that the somebodies who invest dozens of millions into a new venue will expect a return, that is, a return for themselves, rather than one for snooker. There is, in my mind, no doubt that the change of the sport’s flagship event will not change the sport’s future for the better.
Can the Crucible be improved? Sure. And it should be – tables and ventilation should be to standard. Having served for decades to provide an admired and loved venue for much of snooker’s history, the very pinnacle thereof, I tend to value it more highly that some snooker divas’ whims.
Have you ever been there backstage Grump? Because I have and it’s not about divas. It’s really not fit for what is expected nowadays. Notably in the media room which is essential for the promotion of any sport. It’s a great venue in many ways, but not for a 32 players multi-session event and the flagship event of the season in particular. It’s wonderful when there is just one table. It’s inadequate when two tables are in operation, mots notably for the last 32 round
Please Grump, don’t get me wrong, we need a debate about snooker’s future precisely to avoid WST excesses. Unless we can come up with a coherent and sustainable vision for snooker’s future, we’ll get Saudi Arabia. None of us wants to see that.
“Please Grump, don’t get me wrong, we need a debate about snooker’s future precisely to avoid WST excesses. Unless we can come up with a coherent and sustainable vision for snooker’s future, we’ll get Saudi Arabia. None of us wants to see that.”
Several points here, Lewis:
My reading suggests that Saudi Arabia has already happened. They already agreed to whore for the Butcher of Riyadh. All they do now is to plan the next hook-up, and to haggle over the price.
It’d be wonderful to have that debate. I just happen to think that over the future of snooker decisions will be made outside of, and entirely unencumbered by, any debates (in the wider public).
I cannot find that dismissing the players (bar one) as unthinking is a good way to start that debate. Rather, you should have taken the clues delivered in these replies, in that the choices for or against the Crucible aren’t determined by any sort of accounting. Rather, emotional attachment and tradition play major roles (even though Monique didn’t highlight these parts of the players’ statements in her blog post). Moreover, it is incoherent to try to debate while not taking major driving forces into account.
I don’t know about you, but I am a huge fan of Alan McManus. He’s seen more snooker (debates) than just about anybody else, understands it (them) inside out. He writes well, and he’s bereft of any lick of the sense of overblown self-importance I find so jarring in most of those with a megaphone (no matter how tiny). (Monique is of the same sort.) Here’s Angles on the 10 best venues for snooker. One guess, and no price for guessing which one comes out on top: Angles on Snooker Locations. Of course, you might disagree with one statement or another, but if you don’t get the sense of passion for, and passionate attachment to, the place, you haven’t really understood what the debate about the Crucible is all about. I am pretty sure, Angles is far from alone in this.
So, finally: I expect the autocrats in China, the butchers and killers of gay people in the Middle East, and our own corporate overlords to take over the shop that is professional snooker. The greed-heads at the top of the snooker pile are all enthusiastic about it; at the very least, I have yet to hear a single contrarian voice. I find the all-out commercialization of the World Championship that comes with a celebrity-adjusted bigger venue to be yet another aspect of the odious overall development. I plainly expect Sheffield to be priced out of the competition, and the same will likely happen to ordinary folks with small pockets and a big heart for snooker.
I should probably mention that I am pretty grumpy.
Спасибо большое, Моник за эту статью, и за вашу работу. Желаю вам крепкого здоровья.
It’s really only Steve Davis who has reflected on ‘the Crucible debate’, and notes that a predominantly older generation of British fans seem to have assumed ownership of snooker. The other players put their own personal memories and nostalgia at the top of their priorities, not the future viability of snooker. When they talk about ‘special atmosphere’ or use words like ‘iconic’ that in no way implies that the atmosphere at a new venue would not be ‘special’ or become ‘iconic’ if given the chance.
Most people have pointed to the capacity of 980 as the ‘problem’, but actually it’s the facilites that are the biggest issue, and part of that is caused by lack of space backstage. Any major global sporting event needs a media gallery, not just a commentary box for the BBC and a couple of tiny press rooms. Media people from around the world need to be present. They also need corporate hospitality – we may not like it but fundraising is vital for financial viability.
I have also mentioned playing conditions. It’s just unacceptable that some players have to change their technique. The tables always roll off and the behaviour of the balls changes even during a session. For me this is an absolute red line.
We have seen security breaches, most notably last year. There would be no security clearance if any VIPs were to attend, e.g. Prince William. The facilities for the general audience are nowhere near up to expected modern standards.
Then of course there are lack of practice facilites for players, minimalistic dressing rooms (which they have to vacate), no separate entrance, etc.
But despite my strong reservations, I will be going this year. I’ll give it a chance. I expect some things will be better than I remember, some things will be worse. I have seen great snooker in many ‘special’ and ‘iconic’ cities and venues in the last decade, worth a comparison.
Thank you for this very comprehensive comment Lewis. Yes, the lack of space backstage is a major issue, as is the small media room. It is quite incredible for instance that Jamie Broughton has to run the Crucible coverage on Radio 5, sat in a room full of other journalists and photographers who come and go, discuss and joke around him. But the arena is a problem as well. As you mention the “quality” of the tables is a running issue and by no fault of the fitters. For some reason, for years now, the lighting on table two is significantly different from the one on table one. I pointed it out to the BBC guys, to my friend Duncan Richmond in particular, and their measures confirmed what I had noticed: the light on table 2 is much “warmer” than on table 1. I’m a photographer and I of course had tested the “white balance” in the arena. There was no way to get it right on both tables with one set of settings. That’s seriously annoying. Also the ventilation is poor and it is really problematic in the early rounds when it’s hot outside – which happens sometimes – and when the arena is packed. I remember one match in particular that was badly “impacted” by the situation: Ricky Walden v Rory McLeod in the last 32 in 2011. It was terribly hot in the arena, and the air was stale too. I usually handle the heat very well, but on that day I could barely breathe inside the arena, Ricky was visibly unwell, and Rory’s extremely slow pace wasn’t helping. Ricky eventually lost that match (by 10-4 if my memory serves me well) but, in fairness, those were no conditions to play an important match of snooker.
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I really don’t understand how you can say such a thing. Of course, with the Crucible being central to every snooker player’s dreams and hopes, they all thought about it, and that doesn’t change just because you don’t like, or don’t agree with, their choices or the criteria they apply. Much rather, their replies should tell you that their leanings are not driven by the accounting you chose to bring to bear. I am pretty certain that most, or even nearly all, snooker fans tick in similar ways. Also, I find your implied contention that the future of snooker depends on the venue of the Worlds a bit overblown.
Now, in order to have a proper Crucible debate, the first question should be, who is to decide, or maybe, whose voice should have the biggest weight in it. To me it seems, there cannot really be an open question – it’s the players. A rather distant second would be the fans. If players decide, maybe after having listened to fans, that the Crucible is inadequate, things should definitely move.
Of course, what is likely going to happen is markedly different in that snooker authorities at the behest of their corporate sponsors will decide that their notion of a proper, profitable spectacle requires that the moneyed aristocracy be treated to high-end pampering along with separation from the great unwashed, which quite obviously isn’t feasible at the Crucible. And they – you can take that to the bank – won’t give a rat’s posterior on the Crucible’s flair (or whatever you call the iconic nature of the venue); the sponsors demand something different. A harbinger of things to come was that event in Saudi Arabia, when players were made to wait while the Saudi royalty marched in and took their first-row seats in a lengthy procedure. I have to admit I had to snicker a bit at the indignity visited upon the players, as the moneyed aristocracy relegated them to the secondary role of royal clowns, and established themselves as the main event.
Anyway, I can do without prince William or other princelings “attending”. I am sure snooker will have a future, even with the last remaining working-class roots severed. Just whether or not I still care, I do not know.
Grump, many players don’t like the Crucible set-up but very few of the British ones dare to be loud about it. Ronnie has explained why he doesn’t like it, Neil Robertson has said for years that until they get to one table, the arena is too small and inadequate, he can’t walk into the shot like he uses to do, now Hossein Vafaei has echoed this opinion about the backstage situation. Backstage is too small. Players must vacate their dressing room in between sessions except during the final (and maybe the SFs but I’m not sure). Carter once got into a tantrum because Ronnie hadn’t vacated the dressing room early enough. It wasn’t even Ronnie’s fault. His match had finished shortly before the next session and the BBC had been detaining him in the studio. The Crucible would be a great place for an event like the Tour Championship f.i but it isn’t for the World Championship early rounds.
I read that all before. I just don’t give a flying whatever about Carter’s tantrums, Robertson’s whining, or O’Sullivan’s requesting a royal treatment, and even less about Vafaei’s sour grapes after his lackluster performance. Neither man’s self-serving pronouncements strikes me as particularly trustworthy – centered around snooker, as opposed to their tender navel. Much rather I am about the changing characteristics of the game, and there is no doubt here that the somebodies who invest dozens of millions into a new venue will expect a return, that is, a return for themselves, rather than one for snooker. There is, in my mind, no doubt that the change of the sport’s flagship event will not change the sport’s future for the better.
Can the Crucible be improved? Sure. And it should be – tables and ventilation should be to standard. Having served for decades to provide an admired and loved venue for much of snooker’s history, the very pinnacle thereof, I tend to value it more highly that some snooker divas’ whims.
Have you ever been there backstage Grump? Because I have and it’s not about divas. It’s really not fit for what is expected nowadays. Notably in the media room which is essential for the promotion of any sport. It’s a great venue in many ways, but not for a 32 players multi-session event and the flagship event of the season in particular. It’s wonderful when there is just one table. It’s inadequate when two tables are in operation, mots notably for the last 32 round
Please Grump, don’t get me wrong, we need a debate about snooker’s future precisely to avoid WST excesses. Unless we can come up with a coherent and sustainable vision for snooker’s future, we’ll get Saudi Arabia. None of us wants to see that.
“Please Grump, don’t get me wrong, we need a debate about snooker’s future precisely to avoid WST excesses. Unless we can come up with a coherent and sustainable vision for snooker’s future, we’ll get Saudi Arabia. None of us wants to see that.”
Several points here, Lewis:
I should probably mention that I am pretty grumpy.